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Title: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy & Terms of Service
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 05:33:47 pm
NOTE

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[h2]Registration Agreement & Terms of Service[/h2]

[strong]1. FORUM[/strong]

You agree, through your use of this forum and game software, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright or you have written consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also forbidden on this forum.

You agree that you will not hold Toadwater Development Group responsible for any damage caused to you through the use of this software directly or otherwise and that you agree to take no legal action against Toadwater Development Group should in the rare case damage does accrue.

Note that it is impossible for the Toadwater Development Group to confirm the validity of posts. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the posted messages, and as such, are not responsible for the content contained within. We do not warrant the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information presented. The posted messages express the views of the author, and not necessarily the views of this forum, its staff, its subsidiaries, or this forum's owner. Anyone who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to notify an administrator or moderator of this forum immediately. The staff and the owner of this forum reserve the right to remove objectionable content, within a reasonable time frame, if they determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, please realize that they may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately. This policy applies to member profile information as well.

You remain solely responsible for the content of your posted messages. Furthermore, you agree to indemnify and hold harmless the Toadwater Development Group, any related websites to this forum, its staff, and its subsidiaries. The Toadwater Development Group reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any other related information collected on this service) in the event of a formal complaint or legal action arising from any situation caused by your use of this forum.

You have the ability, as you register, to choose your username. We advise that you keep the name appropriate. With this user account you are about to register, you agree to never give your password out to another member, for your protection and for validity reasons.

You agree to NEVER use another member's account for any reason. We also HIGHLY recommend you use a complex and unique password for your account, to prevent account theft.

After you register and log into this forum, you will be able to fill out a detailed profile. It is your responsibility to present clean and accurate information. Any information the forum owner or staff determines to be inaccurate or vulgar in nature will be removed, with or without prior notice. Appropriate sanctions may be applicable.

Please note that with each post, your IP address is recorded, in the event that you need to be banned from this forum or your ISP contacted. This will only happen in the event of a major violation of this agreement.

[strong]2. GAMEPLAY[/strong]

[em]Right to ban from services[/em]
Gameplay
- Toadwater Development Group, "the administrators" own Toadwater, "the game" and reserve the right at anytime to ban you, "the player" from use of any or all services provided at it's discretion.

Cirumvention of official Game mechanics
- Players who circumvent official game mechanics can be removed from the rankings without warning.  Circumenting official game mechanics is defined as, but not limited to, by using a macro program non-attended: this allows you to play the game without actually playing (of which definition of non-attended is up to the Toadwater Development Group's complete discretion), exploiting a bug in the game (more so if the bug has failed to be reported), using an alternative client of any kind that is not officially endorsed in these here lines, or using a popup circumention devices (something that disables popups or makes them go away without actually having to type something in.)

FAILURE TO ANSWER A POPUP WITHIN FIVE MINUTES WILL BE CONSIDERED AFK MACROING AT THE DISCRETION OF ONLY THE TOADWATER DEVELOPMENT GROUP.



If you are raiding someone, fencing that person in is against the rules. That player has the discretion of raising a complaint about your actions and in retaliation you may be banned, punished, or receive other punishment.

Remember: unattended macroing may result in a removal from the rankings and a banning from the game.

Multi-client use
- Multi-client use is defined as using more than one (1) Toadwater Client (TWC) or Computers to consecutively play on one character; playing more than three different characters using any number of  different or similar clients/computers; or using a custom program or complication to simulate multiple Toadwater Instances. Additionally, any unauthorized sending information to the Toadwater server may be considered a violation of this rule.


[em]Hacking game accounts[/em]

Hacking of another players ToadWater account, or accessing it in any way without permission from the player is strictly prohibited.

Methods of password discovery which are defined as hacking include, but are not limited to:
[ul]
  • Guessing somebody's password
  • Finding somebody's password [on a postit or something]
  • Using a virus, keylogger or trojan horse to steal somebody's password
  • "Brute force" attack
[/ul]

Hacking other players' accounts is unacceptable. Anybody found hacking accounts will receive a permanent, lifetime ban from the Toadwater game, the forum, and the IRC channel.  You will not be allowed back, and there will be no reversal of the decision to ban.

"Brute force" attempts may result in further action, possibly legal action, if a damaging load was put on the server.

[em]Non-official client usage[/em]

Use of non-official clients is prohibited on the Toadwater server, and is grounds for banning from the game part of Toadwater.  The official client is available from the "Download" link on http://www.toadwater.com

[strong]3. OTHER[/strong]
Toadwater Devolopment Group owns this game and reserves the right at anytime to change these terms of service. 

If you do not agree to these terms and conditions then you must leave this site at this moment and not continue on with registering.

Toadwater Active Policy / Terms of Service and Engagement
September 16, 2004


Message Board & Community
This section, Message Board & Community, is under construction.

Cheating & Macroing
   Macroing (or bot/autoer) is a process in which the user is able to gain skills in Toadwater or any other game away from the computer. Macroing is countered with anti-popups. Because it cannot be immediately proved, it will not be an issue of these terms of service.

Cheating (also known as MultiClient use) is easily proven through multiple resources.  Multi client use (cheating) is defined as using more than one (1) Toadwater Client (TWC) or Computers to consecutively play on one character. It is also defined as playing more than three different characters using three different clients/computers. It is also defined as using a custom program or complication to simulate multiple Toadwater Instances or by sending information to the Toadwater server.

Realize that:

- Toadwater has logs more detailed then those presented to the public. Toadwater can easily time stamp ALL actions, and determine which actions you are cheating with, regardless of whether or not they show up in the “Public Logs.”


Punishment


- Cheating (or Multi client use) will be enforced with a ban on the sole account, or most often all active IP addresses associated with the account. Length of ban will fit the crime.
- No one is excluded from punishment backed with significant evidence. 

The choice to ban someone goes on a case by case basis. There is often a Grey area, in which a misunderstanding occurs.  As said, it is a case by case basis. All those convicted of multi-clienting are forced to post a public apology on the board.  Should they be banned, the post will be available upon their return, if ever.

Please report multiclienters @ http://xallister.com/cheater.shtml

You must leave a REAL Name. It will not be revealed on the boards, but will be used for follow up private messages giving you information of the outcome.

 Please note that any evidence you submit only triggers an investigation and is not used against the person. This is because information can be manipulated or fabricated. Please do not misuse this form.



Title: Re: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 05:38:02 pm
Opinions are appreciated.  If you do not express your opinion about this NOW, you forfeit all rights to argue down the line should it go the other way.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Hubert on September 16, 2004, 05:53:57 pm
does this also apply for violations in the past?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 05:57:05 pm
No.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Hubert on September 16, 2004, 05:58:06 pm
ooh ok then ban the cheaters ;D


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: PureUber - DEAD on September 16, 2004, 06:13:30 pm
Aslong as no one gets baned for having a large gap between getting a pop up and whittling their next plank im ok with it.

I dont agree with banning people for that as its not proof, sometimes i get a pop up and go do somthing else because i cant be bothered to type it in.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 06:22:42 pm
Aslong as no one gets baned for having a large gap between getting a pop up and whittling their next plank im ok with it.

I dont agree with banning people for that as its not proof, sometimes i get a pop up and go do somthing else because i cant be bothered to type it in.

Quote
   Macroing (or bot/autoer) is a process in which the user is able to gain skills in Toadwater or any other game away from the computer. Macroing is countered with anti-popups. Because it cannot be immediately proved, it will not be an issue of these terms of service.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 07:07:09 pm
(334-25-6) 2:12:97 Definition of Multi clients updated to include custom compilations.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Newton on September 16, 2004, 09:19:21 pm
I'll be awaiting ban drama.

This is quite hypocritical of you tho, dragoon. ;)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 09:34:32 pm
I'll be awaiting ban drama.

This is quite hypocritical of you tho, dragoon. ;)

How so, Newton? Did you READ the post to the entirety?  A lot of people used multiple computers before the hysteria. I stopped early in era when people found it to be cheating.   Despite how little I used it, I was the spotlight as I was number one. It would ONLY be hypocritical if I still used multi client; past actions are not punished as the active policy was not in the system


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Newton on September 16, 2004, 10:24:09 pm
[quote author=-Newton- link=topic=13841.msg166000#msg166000 date=1095362361]
I'll be awaiting ban drama.

This is quite hypocritical of you tho, dragoon. ;)

How so, Newton? Did you READ the post to the entirety?  A lot of people used multiple computers before the hysteria. I stopped early in era when people found it to be cheating.   Despite how little I used it, I was the spotlight as I was number one. It would ONLY be hypocritical if I still used multi client; past actions are not punished as the active policy was not in the system
[/quote]

So you are saying that, in your mind, multi client was, at the time you did it (as little as it may have been), not cheating? I'm sorry but i did it knowing full well that it was cheating. Don't give me the 'oh but i didn't know it was cheating' bullshit. THAT make you hypocritical. ;)

It's not that i mind the rules, anyway. I'm happy to see it being a bannable offense. The only thing i don't want to see happen is the rules getting more and more restrictive and then before you know it; toadwater becomes a carebear game.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 16, 2004, 10:35:51 pm
Quote
So you are saying that, in your mind, multi client was, at the time you did it (as little as it may have been), not cheating? I'm sorry but i did it knowing full well that it was cheating. Don't give me the 'oh but i didn't know it was cheating' bullshit. THAT make you hypocritical. ;)

It's not that i mind the rules, anyway. I'm happy to see it being a bannable offense. The only thing i don't want to see happen is the rules getting more and more restrictive and then before you know it; toadwater becomes a carebear game.

That's up for debate. At the time it was not a communial concern and has nothing to do with this active policy.  A hypocritical action would me saying that all past exploiters of this would be banned, and leaving myself out. That's hypocritical. 

Toadwater will not turn into a 'carebear' game.  Solutions  to problems, however,  will be found when needed.

It does not help anyone's argument to demand one person to take one side or another.  Do I not have the right to change my opinion and take action upon it? I'm not exactly joining a bandwagon, either.  This 'side' was quickly losing ground.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Kelkar on September 16, 2004, 10:46:15 pm
I applaude you Dragoon.

I am glad to see someone taking steps to help improve Toadwater.. 
I do not think it is hypocrytical of you to come up with these ideas.. but actaully a rather good thing.  You for one know just WHAT someone can do with multi clients and macroing.  So you know the dynamic implications it could potentially have on experience tables and such.

I accept these Terms of Service and Thank you graciously.

 ;)




Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: nerakel on September 16, 2004, 10:58:50 pm
Way to go Dragoon and Qill. I think it is a very good idea to have a policy concerning cheating. I personally think it is long overdue. Thank you for caring enough about the game to try and improve it.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: ~KOO~ Fressaria on September 16, 2004, 11:21:52 pm
:)  I too applaud both Dragoon and Qill and also Ispep (who has been fighting long and hard for this)!  Thankyou for making these changes to the game.  I would like, however, to propose an amendment to the policy.  I believe that actions such as planting trees, hemp, and radishes, and laying down planks for roads can take place within the same second without the use of cheats.  Therefore, I propose that evidence of planting two trees etc. within the same second ought not to be considered proof of cheating. 

Positive karma on all three of your houses!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Giasumaru, A Shadow on September 17, 2004, 02:08:28 am
This post is much better then the one QIll made a long time ago well...





Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 17, 2004, 03:47:07 am
Information on BANS:

If an account is banned, any IP address attempting to SIGN ON THAT ACCOUNT WILL BE BANNED

Have a nice day!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 17, 2004, 04:10:56 am
Note: Banned accounts will no longer be publicly revealed.  There is no reason to 'celebrate' the banning of an account, as it only encourages those who want to test the system.  Because the first one was temporarily revealed, some know who got the "Trophy." They may be willing to tell you ;g


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Jingle Bob on September 17, 2004, 04:26:31 am
Is this post their only warning?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Skcubrats on September 17, 2004, 05:17:57 am
No.

ROFL. When Qill posts this, then I will believe it.

Dragoon has found a new way of cheating.
Same old dragoon.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: prask on September 17, 2004, 05:20:47 am
Thank you, Dragoon.

Post bans though.  Public ridicule is a wonderful thing.  Besides being amusing it has a tendency to push the outliers in the direction of the public norm.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Ispep Teid on September 17, 2004, 05:45:14 am
I think that the ban should be a public notice.  If you never see anyone banned you may think it isn't working.  But see a list of recent players who were banned would keep the other "would-be" cheaters from testing the process.

Good work on the banning over all!



Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Peanuts on September 17, 2004, 07:32:59 am
i agree with ispep, without these steps being taken, multi-clienting would ultimatly have been the death of toadwater because of the bad feeling it was generating. but it has to be seen to be working, it is not a case of celebrating banning of any particular player, rather a celebration of the fact that the game will be on a level playing field for all players ;)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: PureUber - DEAD on September 17, 2004, 08:45:56 am
OH also, a while back i came accross some interesting logs in someones profile and they denyed that they cheated, so maybe that person didnt cheat and it was some kind of glitch?

If thats the case its also means you cant ban someone for having somthing like this for example in their log:

(334-25-6) 7:33:24 annon whittled a Grade 4 Plank (Odds: 117.05%)
(334-25-6) 7:33:24 annon whittled a Grade 4 Plank (Odds: 117.05%)

Somthing like that where only 2 logs are from the same second.




Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Stoffel on September 17, 2004, 07:37:28 pm
This is an excellent step.  I'm only concerned that two of my usage modes might be confused with cheating:

1) Waiting a long time before answering a pop-up (as a user stated prior); I sometimes flip to PartyPoker or something else and may not realize I got popped on one of my queued actions.

2) Playing TW from multiple IPs but with a large time gap in between--at work (lunch hour only!) & at home.

I'd assume there's such a vast difference between the major offenders and casual users like myself that it'd be very difficult to confuse my behavior with cheating, so I'm not concerned.  Good luck, thanks for taking this on!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Tomny on September 17, 2004, 08:19:31 pm

2) Playing TW from multiple IPs but with a large time gap in between--at work (lunch hour only!) & at home.

You can play from an unlimited amount of IPs, just so long as they are not concurrent.  So play at work, logout, walk down to the coffee shop, play there, logout, go home, play, logout, wander to a friends, play there...logout...ect, ect.

The only issue is if you're playing at home and at work at the same time...so tell your kids/spouse if you share an account.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 17, 2004, 08:40:54 pm
I think that the ban should be a public notice.  If you never see anyone banned you may think it isn't working.  But see a list of recent players who were banned would keep the other "would-be" cheaters from testing the process.

Good work on the banning over all!

There is an error in your system, Ispep.

What would you rather have?

      Toadwater with people who WOULD CHEAT if they found a good time to do it.
      Toadwater with people who would NEVER Cheat.

If people don't 'see' the system working, then cheat, they will get caught and punished. The system will repeat until all cheaters are banned. Who are left? Honest players.  If we keep 'score', we are only delaying cheaters from cheating until they find the right time to. Does that make sense?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Tomny on September 17, 2004, 08:50:42 pm
If people don't 'see' the system working, then cheat, they will get caught and punished. The system will repeat until all cheaters are banned. Who are left? Honest players.  If we keep 'score', we are only delaying cheaters from cheating until they find the right time to. Does that make sense?

I think if those who would cheat see others being punished for cheating, they will be less likely to
a) Cheat
b) Stay
and
c) Join

If a prospective player sees a game with "nothing" being done about cheating (because it is hidden) then:
If they are honest, they are less likely to join this "den of cheaters" since they won't see much success playing fair...
and
If they are cheaters, they will either not join at all or play fairly.

Yes this is a broad generalization, but how many people out there are kept honest because of fear of punishment?  I'd wager more than we'd be comfortable admitting.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on September 17, 2004, 10:38:36 pm
I play another game that lists players who got punished... It was really creepy... But it also really discouraged cheating.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: kalinblack on September 18, 2004, 06:13:35 am
how does Qill do this if not by cheating?
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Black Tupelo Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Quaking Aspen Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Bunya-Bunya Pine Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Dune Holly Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Katsura Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Hackberry Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Quaking Aspen Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill scraped 1339 flakes of Enriched Bird Poo off of a Bleh Statue (Statue Owner: Qill) 54.4% 
(334-25-7) 6:48:58 Qill wiped off a Bleh Statue and found a Hackberry Seed inside some creamy bird droppings. (Statue Owner: Qill) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:53 Qill planted a Flowering Dogwood Tree in 100% EBP fertilized soil (Odds: 191.64%) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:53 Qill planted a Flowering Dogwood Tree in 100% EBP fertilized soil (Odds: 191.64%) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:51 Qill planted a Flowering Dogwood Tree in 100% EBP fertilized soil (Odds: 191.64%) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:51 Qill planted a Flowering Dogwood Tree in 100% EBP fertilized soil (Odds: 191.64%) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:50 Qill planted a Flowering Dogwood Tree in 100% EBP fertilized soil (Odds: 191.64%) 
(334-25-7) 6:48:50 Qill planted a Flowering Dogwood Tree in 100% EBP fertilized soil (Odds: 191.64%) 



Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Anok Naiiawah on September 18, 2004, 07:47:12 am
Why would I cheat?  I have access to the database


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Skcubrats on September 18, 2004, 09:35:17 am
Why would I cheat?  I have access to the database
Well, since you asked.  >:(
It is well know that you do not like the call for action against cheats, so you are trying to muddy the waters.

You did ask.  :-\


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Anok Naiiawah on September 18, 2004, 09:41:58 am
If I wanted to cheat, I'd just change some numbers in the database. 


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Tomny on September 18, 2004, 02:44:36 pm
how does Qill do this if not by cheating?

SNIP


Explanation One, Trees:  You can plant several trees (at least three, perhaps more) in one second.  Its not an exploit, just some actions don't take much longer than the time it takes to relay the command from the client to the server.

Explanation Two, Seeds from Statues:  When wiping a statue with a lot of droppings on it, you get a chance to get a seed with each dropping.  With just a few dropping you are pretty unlikely to get any seeds (if you're lucky you might get one).  But wipe off 100 or more droppings and you'll likely see multiple seeds from the same wipe.  They will all show in the same second as will any EBP you get.  So once again, this is not an exploit but programmed behavior.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Hubert on September 18, 2004, 02:49:39 pm
OH also, a while back i came accross some interesting logs in someones profile and they denyed that they cheated, so maybe that person didnt cheat and it was some kind of glitch?

If thats the case its also means you cant ban someone for having somthing like this for example in their log:

(334-25-6) 7:33:24 annon whittled a Grade 4 Plank (Odds: 117.05%)
(334-25-6) 7:33:24 annon whittled a Grade 4 Plank (Odds: 117.05%)

Somthing like that where only 2 logs are from the same second.




this should be banned without a doubt, ofcourse he denies it lmao


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Captain on September 18, 2004, 08:39:49 pm
Lmao....seems as though DMC bot has suddenly stopped after this post got up...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Ramzah on September 18, 2004, 08:46:34 pm
is jiggle billy the old old old ass dude from mountain dew commercials?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Captain on September 18, 2004, 09:25:52 pm
jiggle billy is the expensive doll that frylock bought for meatwad on aqua teen hunger force! But happy time harry was bought first and was a bad influence because harry wanted to kill himself then frylock bought billy and it turns out happy time harry tricked jiggle billy into commiting suicide.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: El thwackito on September 19, 2004, 02:09:25 am
Lmao....seems as though DMC bot has suddenly stopped after this post got up...


mwahaha have i? are you sure?  ;)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Abyss Rose on September 19, 2004, 01:54:48 pm
will there/ is there a way to contest a ban placed on your account if you have a way to explain why and or how it happend?

not that I would ever cheet but my computer has been known to do some funky shit


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: christo on September 19, 2004, 01:56:57 pm
pfffft!!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: TreeMan on September 19, 2004, 09:26:50 pm
The reason Dragoon is doing this macroing and clienting ban now... Is now that he is to the top... no one else can get up there to his level. 

Not to mention he has practically quit Toadwater is now playing Runescape.  So why would any of this effect him any more.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 19, 2004, 09:32:09 pm
The reason Dragoon is doing this macroing and clienting ban now... Is now that he is to the top... no one else can get up there to his level. 

Not to mention he has practically quit Toadwater is now playing Runescape.  So why would any of this effect him any more.

I'm at the top? Although I'm not playing Toadwater much, that has nothing to do with it. I am also not playing Runescape ATM, either.

If I "quit and moved on", why would I bother seeing that this is put forth?  Did you even read the active policy? This is a clienting ban, not a macroing ban. Macroing will NEVER be bannable. 

Kelkar herself proved once and all that the only thing it takes to be on the top is hard work and dedication. Unfortunately, Treeman, you lack just that.

IMO, you're upset that I criticize your little project you call Game Development.  Funny how Constructive criticism always leads kids to attack others. Tisk, tisk, tisk.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: TreeMan on September 19, 2004, 09:38:23 pm
work and dedication?  really?  that is why in like 3 weeks i have started playing this game again i have gone from rank 80 to rank 45?  its just this game is and hole for a goal.  No where to go.  Without Qill changing anything it complete destroys any hope for this game to get any bigger.  Its like setting you in a maze, but there is no end. its just a big circle.  no reward.  What would be the point to do anything in the maze?  there is none.  and slowly everyone thats in the top 50 will leave.  havent you noticed that?  many people in top 50 have quit.  Because of that.  WOw i reached lvl 400 farming... okay now i get to do... the same things i have already done a million times to get to this point.  Yeppee.  Give it up this game is pointless, except at first there is a point.  People give suggestions for the game, everyone likes the idea.  Never implemented into the game.  That is going to be the difference between my game and this game.  New implements into the game, never dull or boring.  More skills, combat, clans/guilds (if you want to join).  Instead of Farming, forestry, weaving, textile.  (in which my game has all those and then plus so much more in depth and more things to do.)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 19, 2004, 09:39:12 pm
Hey you. Psssstt, yeah you.

You want to know the real reason Toadwater has an active policy? You asked for it!

Arrest me now, officer!  ::)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: TreeMan on September 19, 2004, 09:40:39 pm
right...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 19, 2004, 09:42:20 pm
kelkar registered in December 2003.
You registered in September, 2003.

Kelkar is rank 1.
You are rank 45.

Kelkar shows hard work and dedication.
You show sprouts of hard work and dedication, and then you go on vacation for 4 months. ;g

Big difference.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: TreeMan on September 19, 2004, 09:50:10 pm
kelkar registered in December 2003.
You registered in September, 2003.

Kelkar is rank 1.
You are rank 45.

Kelkar shows hard work and dedication.
You show sprouts of hard work and dedication, and then you go on vacation for 4 months. ;g

Big difference.
Most of that is very true.  but one thing.  its not really "vacation"  its more like i get bored, because i see no challenge.  but yes i do leave, and it might be a lack of dedication, but there is no motivation to thist game.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on September 19, 2004, 09:55:48 pm
Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!  :D


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: PureUber - DEAD on September 19, 2004, 10:02:00 pm
Until recently i played hard core, got to rank 25.

I registered slightly after kelkar, yet she is rank 1.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: TreeMan on September 19, 2004, 10:08:29 pm
Also when i started playing... i didnt now how to play.  Another thing was that Trojal came after me for few months.  eliminating any chance for land, or hardcore playing.  So i had no chance for a base to get up skills.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: kakashi - DEAD on September 22, 2004, 02:06:20 am
When you started playing, you didn't know how to plaY!?!?! Wow, you must be stupid... When I started, I knew everything about this game, from top to bottom...


You're acting very defensive... You should just give it up, you suck at Toadwater, and you're even worse at defending your positions...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: TreeMan on September 22, 2004, 03:15:03 pm
Haha.   Does not even matter now if i suck or if i am the best in this game.  This game does not appeal to me.  I feel like a rat in this game.  That i am put into a maze that goes around and around in circles.  If by chance i find my way to the center there is no reward.  This analagy is how Toadwater is.  At first it is exciting, then you get to the center and find there is no cheese to be earned for your hardwork.  So then everyone just slowly dies off.  Like you Kakashi, and your friend Trojal.   Do you now why?  Because this game is never ending, pointless game.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: kakashi - DEAD on September 22, 2004, 08:40:10 pm
and you're even worse at defending your positions...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Night-Eagle on September 27, 2004, 03:14:31 am
Haha.   Does not even matter now if i suck or if i am the best in this game.  This game does not appeal to me.  I feel like a rat in this game.  That i am put into a maze that goes around and around in circles.  If by chance i find my way to the center there is no reward.  This analagy is how Toadwater is.  At first it is exciting, then you get to the center and find there is no cheese to be earned for your hardwork.  So then everyone just slowly dies off.  Like you Kakashi, and your friend Trojal.   Do you now why?  Because this game is never ending, pointless game.
That makes it all the more realistic.
If you would like to continue this conversation, please continue it on a different topic.
Now to the point of this post:
Great idea.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Giasumaru, A Shadow on September 27, 2004, 05:04:56 am
Its called "Its sour grapes [anyway... why should I do all this for that?]"


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Evil Troll Bastard on October 09, 2004, 08:16:37 pm
Multiple questions.

1) if someone is baed is the acount deleted or just flagged?

2) if deleted does this erase just the access to the server or does it actually delete the charcters holdings.

 I ask because I know many people pick up where old players leave off and build from the old foundation.  If te foundation were to be deleted it could dirve a lot of players to give up rather than start over.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on October 09, 2004, 09:14:35 pm
Multiple questions.

1) if someone is baed is the acount deleted or just flagged?

2) if deleted does this erase just the access to the server or does it actually delete the charcters holdings.

 I ask because I know many people pick up where old players leave off and build from the old foundation.  If te foundation were to be deleted it could dirve a lot of players to give up rather than start over.

No, if someone is banned their base remains. It does not vanish.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: ramrod on October 12, 2004, 04:45:45 am
except if the fencing decay before the player is allowed to return.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on October 12, 2004, 04:52:32 am
except if the fencing decay before the player is allowed to return.

Hmm forgot about that part.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: ramrod on October 12, 2004, 04:57:08 am
hurts newbies the most.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Jingle Bob on October 21, 2004, 02:22:44 am
I for one do not like the active policy. It sux. I feel if it can be done. its not cheating. The people who don't want to do it dont have to, but they can if they want... it doesn't hurt anything.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: {TWA} Raerlynn on October 21, 2004, 06:24:14 pm
Here's a good question for you Dragoon:

What about password stealing. PureUber had his stolen and is now locked out with no items or money, sitting behind a wall of fences.Would you ban those who have stolen Passwords?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LordShaggy on October 25, 2004, 05:06:46 pm
id hope so, that gos way past your normal cheating...it would be hard to profe it ether way tho=/


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on October 25, 2004, 10:29:35 pm
id hope so, that gos way past your normal cheating...it would be hard to profe it ether way tho=/

Couldn't Dragoon check the IP? Like check for a different IP used on the day the person got on the "victim's" account?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Giasumaru, A Shadow on October 25, 2004, 10:35:08 pm
IP doesn't matter. A smart person will go to a library and use the computers there to go on someone elses account. (Or cybercafes and other shit places with internet access.)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on October 25, 2004, 10:42:46 pm
Then mabye check to see who had been chopping trees, taking stuff from hoards, etc. from that player at that time. Then track the other player? Mabye see what their normal IP is?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Giasumaru, A Shadow on October 25, 2004, 10:54:48 pm
wtf do you mean by a normal IP? What If I use this computer 10% of the time, This one 10% of the time and the other 8, 10% of the time?  Which one is my normal IP? What if the normal IP is a school computer and some 10 other people uses so you just blocked of the access for those 10 other players?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on October 25, 2004, 10:59:50 pm
wtf do you mean by a normal IP? What If I use this computer 10% of the time, This one 10% of the time and the other 8, 10% of the time?  Which one is my normal IP? What if the normal IP is a school computer and some 10 other people uses so you just blocked of the access for those 10 other players?

Hacking is hard to prove, true. But we need some way to figure out who the culprits are.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LordShaggy on October 28, 2004, 01:22:46 am
just loging the IP alone wouldnt prove anything sadly, to many ways to get around it if you half way tryed


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on October 29, 2004, 08:50:35 pm
If you report a person for multi-clienting, please leave a REAL name for follow-up purposes.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Andrew_T on November 05, 2004, 09:27:51 pm
Ok, I haven't played toadwater in 3 months, can I still play, or am I deleted off the game?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: AVENGE ME on November 05, 2004, 09:41:49 pm
i havent played in 6 month and im now in the noobland LOL


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: The Red on November 13, 2004, 12:56:26 pm
I'm totally multiclienting


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: guymandude on November 14, 2004, 03:01:33 pm
1) Because Dragoon did Multi-Client he should get punished. Not badly just because he probly got alot of gold and stuff when he did that.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Ajira2k on November 14, 2004, 09:10:44 pm
we're not getting into this again  ::)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Flint on November 15, 2004, 10:00:13 pm
question: if a player uses multiple clients, but different characters for each client, is that also a bannable situation?
because your rules say: more than one toadwater client on one computer on one character.

TsuGaru


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on November 15, 2004, 10:47:59 pm
question: if a player uses multiple clients, but different characters for each client, is that also a bannable situation?
because your rules say: more than one toadwater client on one computer on one character.

TsuGaru

I would suppose it would be OK...

Even if it wasn't, there would be no way of proving that both characters were coming from the same computer. Exept IP address, but that still wouldn't show 100%.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Pope Manny on November 16, 2004, 05:44:19 pm
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST START DELETING!

i have three (assuming) inactive fenced inside my base.

I have discovered them and fenced them in. But since I was never raided I am left to assume these are inactive. I has been about 3 months since I built this base. So they have not moved since.

Probeblem is 2 of them are mid-fenceline! I assume 1 is DPB and he can hang around my base cuz it was his when he quit so I dont ming him roaming around. But  I wish I could find out who the oter 2 are so I can try to mail them and get thire passwords to move the Chars.

No I dont have BV yet!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Arallon Supuchades on January 28, 2005, 03:07:22 am
I am a mule.  Me and my main are going back and forth between 2 computers.  I did multi-client for a total of 5 level-one plank whittles.  Sry, it won't happen again..  :-[  Just filled the task bar up once.  :-[    Just was curious. sry  :(
May the Gods of anti-advantage taking sear me with their scorn. 


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on January 28, 2005, 03:30:42 am
I am a mule.  Me and my main are going back and forth between 2 computers.  I did multi-client for a total of 5 level-one plank whittles.  Sry, it won't happen again..  :-[  Just filled the task bar up once.  :-[    Just was curious. sry  :(
May the Gods of anti-advantage taking sear me with their scorn. 

If no one knew, then you didn't have to post about it, which is most likely the case.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on January 29, 2005, 12:49:32 am
hmm every time i tried to play a game with 2 different accounts on same computer it booted both accounts out so i never thought about it... i wasnt about to try it any time soon though... i dont mind the pop ups just dont make them appear every 5 seconds


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Strachan on January 29, 2005, 06:18:15 pm
it is not illegal to have more than one account...it is illegal to use more than one computer to use the same account...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on January 29, 2005, 11:22:36 pm
i know that............................................................................................... ...............................
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Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Strachan on January 29, 2005, 11:32:05 pm
if you know that why do you even bother posting that last post of useless crap?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on January 29, 2005, 11:33:26 pm
because i can...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Strachan on January 29, 2005, 11:35:05 pm
oooo look i can do it to...wow


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on January 29, 2005, 11:37:11 pm
we all can


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Strachan on January 29, 2005, 11:39:31 pm
im gonna stop this childish behavour...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on January 29, 2005, 11:40:08 pm
have fun (it is so much fun to piss you off)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on February 01, 2005, 12:49:49 pm
have fun (it is so much fun to piss you off)

Does that skill come naturally to you or did you practise?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on February 02, 2005, 05:02:48 pm
tok several years


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: kakashi - DEAD on February 22, 2005, 09:59:49 pm
lol


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: diddleo on February 23, 2005, 05:29:06 am
hi I just started and IO dont know what to do can anyone help?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: dakz0rz on February 23, 2005, 06:03:27 am
Read the guide.
It answers all Toadwater questions


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: {MTB}Naruto(Konoha ninja) on March 13, 2005, 02:10:29 am
wuts a macro...lolz..im not a computer geek and i am not familar with computer terms


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: UltimateLoathe on March 13, 2005, 02:15:18 am
wuts a macro...lolz..im not a computer geek and i am not familar with computer terms
What I know of, is that, it is a program where it automatically clicks/types for you.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Maxamillion{TWA} on March 13, 2005, 06:06:38 pm
a macro is a button that does a certain action instead of having to do the whole action.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on March 13, 2005, 08:44:52 pm
a macro is a button that does a certain action instead of having to do the whole action.

No it's not.

A macro is an application designed to do a computerized task for you. For instance, you can have it make fences in Toadwater for you, or chop trees, even chat or make your character die.


n. Computer Science pl. mac·ros

   1. A single, user-defined command that is part of an application and executes a series of commands.
   2. A shorthand representation for a number of lines of code.

Also found in Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: {MTB}Naruto(Konoha ninja) on March 22, 2005, 05:39:10 am
wait...i dont macro...but i have a laptop and a computer right next to eachother so i can like use all my wood faster and stuff...is that cheatin?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on March 22, 2005, 05:40:51 am
wait...i dont macro...but i have a laptop and a computer right next to eachother so i can like use all my wood faster and stuff...is that cheatin?

Yeah... multi-clienting.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: {MTB}Naruto(Konoha ninja) on March 22, 2005, 05:42:24 am
ahhh...i seee...i dont noe wut all these computer terms even mean...lolz ;D


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on March 22, 2005, 05:43:35 am
As long as you aren't caught, you'll be fine.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: {MTB}Naruto(Konoha ninja) on March 22, 2005, 05:44:10 am
how would u get caught? wuts like one way?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on March 22, 2005, 05:56:23 am
If Dragoon know's you've been multi-clienting, he might get you banned!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: tj9991 on March 22, 2005, 05:57:12 am
Or, he might not!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on March 22, 2005, 05:59:23 am
Of course not.  ;g You do what you want.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: tj9991 on March 22, 2005, 06:03:50 am
Thankyou Dragoon


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on March 22, 2005, 06:28:31 am
Of course not.  ;g You do what you want.

SHHHH! You're supposed to leave him worried!


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on March 22, 2005, 02:59:58 pm
If I got that reply from Dragoon, I would be worried.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Strachan on March 22, 2005, 05:32:29 pm
yes, that is called multi-tasking...


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Heavenly Seraph on March 22, 2005, 05:35:48 pm
Multi tasking is playing four different games simultaneously  ;D

multi-clienting is evil!




...actually, I have no strong feelings either way.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: PureUber - DEAD on March 30, 2005, 11:24:36 am
Pffff only the little girls who couldnt whittle 20 planks insted of just the one like me complaine.

Or whittle 4 idols in one attempt, that was always fun xp ;D


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Hubert on March 30, 2005, 11:30:57 am
did anybody ever get banned? LOL


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: PureUber - DEAD on March 30, 2005, 11:34:58 am
Not that i know of

I didnt :)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Strachan on April 03, 2005, 11:46:34 am
i once got a warning message from goon about multi-clienting :o


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: jasoncyrus on April 28, 2005, 11:01:44 pm
Will there be an option to appeal the banning? For example if someone finds out your password and deliberately cheats using multiclients just to have you banned?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Dragoon on April 28, 2005, 11:03:48 pm
Don't give someone your password, maybe?


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on April 28, 2005, 11:26:42 pm
Nah... that's beyond the comprehension of most newbies.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Night-Eagle on April 28, 2005, 11:33:08 pm
If your stupid enough to tell someone your private password and keep it like that, then you have no business on Toadwater.


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Ajira2k on April 30, 2005, 08:38:49 am
right, cause toadwater players are the brightest fuckin people on the planet...  ::)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: LOLZNUBCOPTERgoodbye on April 30, 2005, 07:08:06 pm
You'd better believe it! Ooh! An electric chair! Do those fly? I wanna try!

*Zap*


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: The Demon on June 29, 2006, 06:07:59 pm
I agree ANYONE found cheating should be banned, just like they do in any other games...doesnt make it right for for someone to profit from being a cheater while others play it fair in my book  :)


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: swimdivus on June 29, 2006, 10:09:51 pm
over a year old......


Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Toadwater Active Policy
Post by: Ajira2k on August 25, 2006, 06:07:40 pm
It's stickied.  It's not like it's a revival.