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Title: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 03, 2006, 02:19:45 pm
In the Guide it says under the heading >  "What Cannot Be Done in CW"   *  Place birdhouses on horse chestnut trees.
The Guide does not mention anything about Idols in Cloud World.

When I try to put a Douglas Fir Idol onto a tree, a message says, ""That Idol is too high to be protected here".
I have never had this message previously while trying to place an Idol on a tree.
This is the first time. The Idol will not go onto the tree.

Does that mean I cannot put Idols on my trees in Cloud World anymore?
I like being in Cloud World and do not intend to jump just yet.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: piggy12346 on September 03, 2006, 02:28:14 pm
No, i think it means your trying to put the idol onto the wrong kind of tree. Are you trying to put your douglas fir idol onto a douglas fir tree?


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 03, 2006, 04:27:19 pm
Yes it is a Douglas Fir tree and a Douglas Fir Idol.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: piggy12346 on September 03, 2006, 04:52:03 pm
hrm, then i dont know


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: AndyB on September 03, 2006, 05:03:51 pm
I think you can only go up to a certain level idol in noob world and cloud world.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Rizes Shadow on September 03, 2006, 05:40:47 pm
I think you can only go up to a certain level idol in noob world and cloud world.

You can let us know when you get that willow idol made  ;D


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Tsaor Krad on September 03, 2006, 06:06:41 pm
I got this same message when I tried to place my hornbeam idol in one of my noob worlds. It's stupid.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: i)ght on September 03, 2006, 11:10:51 pm
how can something not be protected in cloud world


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Matt Siegman on September 03, 2006, 11:29:09 pm
the idol is protecting itself from you?


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: gemstone on September 05, 2006, 05:34:44 pm

I think what they mean is probably "We don't know."

Probably you should get a medal or something for the record highest idol in cloud world.

Good luck.



Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 14, 2006, 03:05:39 am
Thank you everyone who have made an effort to provide an answer.

I feel really disappointed at the fact I am unable to attach Idols to trees while in Cloud World. I have just succeeded in getting a level 30 Idol, and once again, I am unable to attach it to a Sweetgum Tree because "That Idol is too high to be protected here".

There is nowhere in the Guide where it states there is a level that you must jump from Cloud World, and there is no mention of a restriction on the ability to place an Idol on a tree because a person chooses to stay in Cloud World. In fact the only restriction it says : "What Cannot Be Done in CW" answer - "Place birdhouses on horse chestnut trees".

I'm disappointed because it means I am going to have to jump in order to go higher, as I have no way to attain higher level seeds to increase my forestry or whittling if I remain in Cloud World. I have some seeds from statues, however these only go up to Magnolia level - I have never received a seed higher than that.
I feel at a disadvantage at not being able to obtain higher level seeds by offering them to an Idol, but rather to wait and hope I will get the next level seed. It is unfair that people who are not in Cloud World enjoy this option, and it is not available to those choosing to stay in Cloud World. I have devised a good system in Cloud World and have about 10,000 Sweetgum seeds, and now they are useless to me. I can't plant them in Cloud World due to lack of space, and I think it is unfair that I cannot offer them to the Idol because I can't attach the Idol to a tree.

I have two options - one to sell the seeds, and one to jump from Cloud World - neither of which I want to do. Everyone gets to choose when they jump, it seems unfair that I am being forced because I cannot continue to enjoy the game and progress in levels in Cloud World. One of my aims which I can no longer achieve, was to see if I could get to the top level tree with limited space that Cloud World provides. I always thought the actual lack of space would be the cause if I were to fail in this aim. It is sad that it is going to be because of something that does not even exist in the rules.

Edit - I am not a Cloud World Bunker. I have never jumped from Cloud World.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Twisti on September 14, 2006, 03:15:55 am
The wiki is updated and maintained by the players. You find something missing from it ? Add it. There is no 'complete walkthrough with all hints and secrets' for this game, and quite frankly, I find the mere suggestion that there should be one outrageouts.

That being said, CW is designed as a safe place to learn how the game works, not a permanent place to live. If you chose to play a game completely differently from the way it is intended, you will have to live with the consequences of that choice.

However, you do not have to jump to get higher. You can still get higher by staying on CW. You just won't get every different tree levels, a goal which not many players archieve without outside help anyways.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 14, 2006, 03:27:27 am
Apologies if it sounded as if I was suggesting there was hidden secrets because I was in no way meaning this at all.
I was just expressing how I feel disappointed at not being able to place idols in Cloud World. I was in no way asking for hints or walkthroughs, and was not aware I was playing the game differently to what it was intended. I am upset at the suggestion that I was making an outrageous comment as I was in no way at all intending to be offensive. I was merely asking a question and expressing my disappointment in not being able to achieve one of my aims.

I appreciate you have provided a reason that I can be satisfied with now, and in view of your comments, if I had known this before, I would have just merely jumped from Cloud World, happy that I have achieved all that could be achieved there.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Twisti on September 14, 2006, 04:43:01 am
Be proud, you are the first person to stick out there long enough to find that limit.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 14, 2006, 07:04:28 am
Be proud, you are the first person to stick out there long enough to find that limit.

The only limit I have found is in attaching Idols to trees.
I haven't actually reached the highest limit I can yet, and it would have been really nice to have tried to get as close to my goal as I could before jumping. Like I said, I have seeds up to Magnolia, so at the moment could do Idols up to that. My understanding of the game was to have fun, but in doing that I made some aims that I wanted to achieve. I have many trees of different levels, and no fences prepared for when I do jump. The strategy I've followed is really good, so I know I would succeed on a base as small as Cloud World, if I were to find only small  amount of land available.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: clatra on September 14, 2006, 05:49:50 pm
Avoiding discussion of the wiki's shortcoming for a moment...

I think RainForest should hold the record for the highest level idol in CW, and probably the most powerful "tree lord" in CW -- i.e. a new record should be created for this.

And I think an explanation from the administration should be given about the idol level limit in CW. If no explanation is available, or if it due to a coding issue related to the maximum tree leves when the coding was done, I think the limit should be abolished.

I know that admins feel that players should have bases...but I strongly disagree with bases being required or somehow expected because that is the way TW should be played. TW is the greatest sandbox game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_%28videogames%29) I have ever played -- if I wanted to do something contrarian like start a fenceless "base" in the middle of a noob world with statues, hoards, and other stuff that "should" be protected by fences, I should be able to. If lots of thou-shalt-nots are implemented, TW would be a very different game that would lose some of its appeal to contrarians like me.
 ;)


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: LumberJane on September 15, 2006, 01:33:34 am
You can get higher seeds from statues and other players, thus no reason you can't go higher on cw.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 15, 2006, 03:20:12 am
clatra

Thank you for your support and very kind suggestion of abolishing the Tree Idol limit. I guess even if I cannot stay in Cloud World, I have some sense of achievement, but will still be disappointed at not having had opportunity to continue and achieve my goals.

I really love this game. It is so unique. I've played since January 2004  and have developed a strategy to achieve increase in levels, but within the confines of the small space of Cloud World, and I really believe I have the ability to reach the highest tree level there.

LumberJane's comment is really encouraging and maybe I will be able to get higher seeds from statues as I go higher level in trees. In my early days of playing Toadwater, I mentioned in a post I would like to stay in Cloud World and achieve highest levels I can there. This was met with negative comments stating that what I planned was impossible, and the area is too small and restricted to achieve many levels. I disagreed and thought  with strategies I could achieve my aims.

I am not a Cloud World Bunker. I have never jumped from Cloud World, and I  have had no interaction or exchange of items in any way with any other person, and am not a mule for any other account, nor do I have a mule. Everything I have achieved has been within the space of Cloud World with no trading or exchanging. One of my aims was to reach the highest level tree while in Cloud World.

I have received offers of Beggar Gloves and  seeds from other players. While these are very generous thoughts, and the support very appreciated, I really want to achieve my goal without assistance, and would like the opportunity to continues as I have done.

Regarding your suggestion about highest level idol "tree lord in CW. This is a very generous thought, but will encourage others to create a character to remain in Cloud World to achieve the title, however maybe that could add another dimension to the game. Personally I would welcome the challenge, but I'm stiving for the personal reward of achievement of a goal. Like you, I appreciate that the game has not got a lot of "shalt nots" implemented, and like the diversity of choice that is not restrictive.

I really welcome and thank you for your support and would really appreciate imput from Management firstly, because I am not a "Cloud Bunker" allowing me to stay in Cloud World to achieve my goals I set when I started playing over 2 years ago, and secondly re consideration regarding changing Idols in Cloud World so all can be attached to trees.
Thank you once again for your encouragement and suggestions
Warmest Regards,
RainForest.
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LumberJane

Thank you very much for your encouragement. At the  moment I've decided not to jump and to reach as high a level of tree I can in Cloud World, so your comment is very encouraging.
Warmest Regards,
RainForest.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: LumberJane on September 15, 2006, 03:49:17 am
No problem, was just letting you know there were options that didn't include *having* to jump. I respect what you're trying to do. It's cool. Good luck. :)


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 15, 2006, 03:58:39 am

And I think an explanation from the administration should be given about the idol level limit in CW. If no explanation is available, or if it due to a coding issue related to the maximum tree leves when the coding was done, I think the limit should be abolished.

Regarding the above Quote >

Water Elm is level 28, and Red Juniper is Level 26. I already have these two Idols attached to trees.
I am however, unable to attach a Sycamore Idol to a tree which is only Level 25, a lower level than both of the above. Once again it states, "That Idol is too high to be protected there."

From the above, it can be determined that it is possible that the coding can be adjusted so Idols can be attached to trees in Cloud World, as it was possible in the past, or I would not have the Water Elm and Red Juniper attached, and in view of that, should be able to attach the Idol of lower level trees than those I have attached at the moment.

This means that there was a time when Idols could be attached but are no longer able to be attached in Cloud World, and suggests that it is not a result of when coding was done, but either a change by Management or a glitch.

I thank people for support given and would really appreciate imput from Management firstly, because I am not a "Cloud Bunker" allowing me to stay in Cloud World to achieve my goals I set when I started playing over 2 years ago, and secondly re consideration regarding changing Idols in Cloud World so all can be attached to trees.
With Thanks
Kindest Regards,
RainForest.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: LumberJane on September 15, 2006, 04:03:00 am
I think it's possible the actual limit is amount of idols on cloud world. Much as we have a limit of how many hoards and such we can have on personal islands. I don't know for certain, but Dragoon and Matt should know.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 15, 2006, 04:07:31 am
I think it's possible the actual limit is amount of idols on cloud world. Much as we have a limit of how many hoards and such we can have on personal islands. I don't know for certain, but Dragoon and Matt should know.

LumberJane,
Thank you for your suggestion. I just removed a Balsam Idol, and the Sycamore Idol is still unable to be placed onto a Sycamore tree which suggests it is not to do with the number of Idols,
Good thought though,
Thank You,
RainForest.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Matt Siegman on September 15, 2006, 04:17:58 am
The reason that you cannot go greater than level 25 on idols in CW is because the land is stored in the database the same way as newb world land.  I will see if we want to lift this restriction to see if we should allow idols above level 25 on CW.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: LumberJane on September 15, 2006, 04:19:46 am
The reason that you cannot go greater than level 25 on idols in CW is because the land is stored in the database the same way as newb world land.  I will see if we want to lift this restriction to see if we should allow idols above level 25 on CW.

But he has a water elm idol already placed, matt, and that's lvl 28. So something's wrong with that code or something.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Matt Siegman on September 15, 2006, 04:26:04 am
That is a bug. I am looking into the code to see how an idol above level 25 got placed.

We are currently not planning on changing the idol restriction.  Cloud World is intended to get you started out and to let you play a sort of catch-up game; it was not intended for you to live you game life in solitude.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Tsaor Krad on September 15, 2006, 04:34:28 am
I don't really care anymore since I've already placed my idols, but why is there a restriction on idols in noob worlds? Is it to protect noobs from getting their idols chopped or is this part of the game and is just how it is?


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: RainForest on September 15, 2006, 04:37:36 am
That is a bug. I am looking into the code to see how an idol above level 25 got placed.


Matt
Thank you Matt for reviewing the Idols. I appreciate the time, and I guess the positive thing is it has made awareness of a bug.
In relation to my being able to place an Idol above level 25 in the past, I placed the Juniper Idol some time ago when Qill was in Management. I have been able to offer seeds to the Idol, and it has a power of 135. If the change to the ability to place Idols higher than level 25 in Cloud World was made more recently than when Qill was here, then that would have explained how I was able to attach the Idol, and that it is not a glitch, but from the way things were previous to the change.
I hope that helps,
Kind Regards,
RainForest.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: Matt Siegman on September 15, 2006, 04:44:08 am
Ahhh, it was most likely a change made after Qill left TW.


Title: Re: "That Idol is too high to be protected here"
Post by: [rebel]lion on September 27, 2006, 12:10:41 am
thats too bad, this was actually a good argument. but i think matt is right, in a way, because cloud world is just to start you out on the right track, not to set you for life

edit: sorry this was supposed to go at the end of the first page. my bad, i didnt notice their was two pages