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Toadwater Inn => Nicodemus's Classical Tavern => Topic started by: Matt Siegman on November 15, 2006, 07:15:45 pm



Title: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 15, 2006, 07:15:45 pm
If you have docks, this is a warning: make sure they are secure.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 15, 2006, 07:16:33 pm
Will we be able to build new docks?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 15, 2006, 07:17:38 pm
Not right now; however, the ones in existance may become useful. There will only be one dock you can leave from; however, that is only because you cna't make boats to use at the others ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Fingerpicker on November 15, 2006, 07:18:34 pm
So if you dont have a dock already you can't build one anymore?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 15, 2006, 07:22:03 pm
Do the docks have to be completed? Or will there be an initial glitch allowing anyone access to any dock, completed or not?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 15, 2006, 08:32:57 pm
More importantly, will any place without a dock remain inaccessible?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 15, 2006, 08:34:00 pm
You usually have to DOCK a boat. So logically you would need a dock.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: David B. Adams on November 15, 2006, 08:36:35 pm
How can we secure a dock?  Build a fence in every adjacent square?  Is that sufficient to secure a water access point to your base?

Thanks,
Zeb


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 15, 2006, 08:38:54 pm
Pretend the dock is you worst enemy and that it's not illegal to fence people in.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: David B. Adams on November 15, 2006, 08:46:24 pm
This cuts into my base design :)  How long does it take the dock to decay?

Do I need 5 fences at the base of the dock to block access or just 3 ?

Zeb


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 15, 2006, 08:49:34 pm
You usually have to DOCK a boat. So logically you would need a dock.

Yeah cuz this game follows SO many laws of nature and the world.  ::)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 15, 2006, 08:53:03 pm
I use 14.  My dock has been secured since it was finished.  I'll post a screenie when I get a chance to go over there.



Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: David B. Adams on November 15, 2006, 09:09:09 pm
I have some docks in my base that appear to not be fully constructed but they still say 100% beside them does that mean that they are still a threat?

Thanks,
Zeb


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 15, 2006, 09:15:07 pm
If you can see 5 segments in the dock, it is completed.  If not completed, it should not be a threat.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: David B. Adams on November 15, 2006, 09:27:19 pm
This one actually has 6 segments :)

I think he built a dock on the end of his dock.

Good times.

Zeb


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 12:04:13 am
Securing your dock would involve putting a fence at every adjacent square.  You won't be able to chop fences from a dock because you won't have a good footing, and you're too tired from rowing your boat.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: minerva on November 16, 2006, 12:28:19 am
If you click on the dock on SWI, you get a new message!  Also there are some new trees on SWI


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 12:46:09 am
What happens if every dock gets secured? Boats would be pointless so I'm assuming you will be making islands or something new to explore. Also, if allowed to roam freely, what will be the outer limits of where we can go?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Lemonade on November 16, 2006, 12:50:23 am
you can at least put docks in every noob world so they can't be protected (unless for the bugged noob world)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 12:52:31 am
There will be something for you to find at sea. I have to make boats first. The outer limits would keep you away from personal islands.  The docks in noob worlds is an interesting idea.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 12:52:48 am
(336-31-5) 4:91:60 azentner hugs Dragoon in captivity!
(336-31-5) 4:94:09 azentner hugs czernyman in captivity!

You guys need to stop playing with your dock.  ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 12:54:14 am
Try standing on the dock and using an oar ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 12:54:43 am
The outer limits would keep you away from personal islands. 

How will that work since it is my understanding that the islands are next to the continents? I know mine is right next to b2. Unless you make like a buffer zone around islands.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 12:56:29 am
you won't be able to get within 3 squares of an island


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 12:57:17 am
Try standing on the dock and using an oar ;)

I get a crappy message.   >:( And get lassoed by slipknot. This is gay.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: slipknot on November 16, 2006, 12:59:50 am
heh, let go of me . ;D


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 12:59:55 am
lol... that was unintended (the lasso)

I was testing the message to make sure I didn't break something.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 01:08:54 am
Random question: when boats are implimented and Dragoon places me in the middle of the ocean, which he has done oh so many times¬  >:(, will I be able to use an oar and row somewhere? This is assuming Dragoon doesn't place me somewhere very far away.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 01:11:19 am
you have to be in a boat to move around the ocean


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 01:12:05 am
 :(


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: slipknot on November 16, 2006, 01:13:25 am
will higher lvl oars make any difference to anything?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 01:14:32 am
yes, they are rowboats ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 01:14:47 am
Row faster?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 01:16:11 am
ding ding ding!!!


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Paputa on November 16, 2006, 04:00:26 am
So does this mean that eventually we can start building out own dock again? :D


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 05:07:30 am
very eventually, but yes


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Farmer Billy-Bob-Joe on November 16, 2006, 05:11:39 am
"very eventually" ?

It's really getting to be late, isn't it?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 16, 2006, 05:12:43 am
it just means that people building their own docks is going to take a back seat, because I'd have to properly implement boats for that to work.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 03:15:40 pm
Matt, is my dock complete? It only shows 1 segment and after the name it says (35) 100%


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: hempgrowerdan on November 16, 2006, 03:21:40 pm
When do the commercials stop and something actualy come into existance.  :-\


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 03:25:08 pm
Next year maybe. Key word there maybe.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 16, 2006, 03:27:03 pm
When do the commercials stop and something actualy come into existance.  :-\

When he can get it to work without bugging up. If he puts it in while it's still glitchy, everyone will complain twice as much as they do while waiting. :)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 03:27:55 pm
I'll complain either way.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 16, 2006, 03:29:51 pm
I'll complain either way.

Yeah, that's kinda your job description. :P But if memory serves, people tend to complain a lot MORE when something isn't working properly. They tend to just grumble when waiting for a new thing.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: hempgrowerdan on November 16, 2006, 03:33:19 pm


When he can get it to work without bugging up. If he puts it in while it's still glitchy, everyone will complain twice as much as they do while waiting. :)

and when no one is waiting any more . . . . .


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 16, 2006, 03:37:30 pm


and when no one is waiting any more . . . . .

I'm always waiting for new content. :) It keeps me wanting more and not wanting to quit again. :)

Matt, I just had a thought.. Will lassos work while at sea in boats? And if so, will there be a way to escape? Battle on the high seas while exploring.. I dunno to be excited or scared. lol


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Twisti on November 16, 2006, 04:01:38 pm
Please allow us to destroy docks. Theres like a hundred damn docks leading into my base.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 16, 2006, 04:02:16 pm
Start fencing.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Jimmyx on November 16, 2006, 06:41:57 pm
Am I right in assuming that I only have to worry about docks, and not have to fence the entire coastline?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: slipknot on November 16, 2006, 06:42:49 pm
so i believe yes, just the docks.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 17, 2006, 03:10:22 am
There will eventually be a way to destroy docks.  You only have to protect around docks, we won't have attack boats that can land on plain old land (yet!).  I'm working on the boat thing now, but I have to rework the movement system for moving in a boat.  It's complicated.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 03:14:59 am
Matt, is my dock complete? It only shows 1 segment and after the name it says (35) 100%


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 17, 2006, 03:20:01 am
If you dock kit was level 35, it is showing the first segment complete (100%). If the dock contains 5 level 35 kits, it will be a level 175 dock.  At least that was the original idea Qill had.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 17, 2006, 03:21:58 am
I don't know how to build docks ;) Myrr's explination sounds good to me.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 03:24:54 am
Thanks for being so helpful.  :-\ I'll just fence it anyways.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 17, 2006, 03:30:12 am
I thought I WAS helpful.  :'(


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 03:46:44 am
What I want to know is if someone can land on my dock?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: clatra on November 17, 2006, 04:16:23 am
I'm working on the boat thing now, but I have to rework the movement system for moving in a boat.

If boat movement has anything to do with windspeed/direction, my TWC 5.6.5 continues to indicate wind is out of the north at 0 mph several times a day...as illustrated here:
http://www.toadwater.com/index.php?topic=22887.msg271790#msg271790


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 17, 2006, 05:01:18 am
wind won't have anything to do with it, they are just rowboats ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 17, 2006, 05:05:35 am
Good.  Because my wind keeps breaking.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: prask on November 17, 2006, 05:34:31 am
I thought docks are supposed to decay?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 17, 2006, 02:53:51 pm
Good.  Because my wind keeps breaking.

LOL Myrr is a good sailor, he'll keep your sails full!  ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 04:41:18 pm
lol, Dan just PMed me with an excellent point. SWI is surrounded by the old worlds. Why do we have to secure our docks if the boats can't get past the old worlds? I'm guessing this will be an "oh shit" moment for Matt, unless boats can fly.

http://www.toadwater.com/Guide/index.php/World_of_Toadwater


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Lemonade on November 17, 2006, 04:55:34 pm
lol, Dan just PMed me with an excellent point. SWI is surrounded by the old worlds. Why do we have to secure our docks if the boats can't get past the old worlds? I'm guessing this will be an "oh shit" moment for Matt, unless boats can fly.

http://www.toadwater.com/Guide/index.php/World_of_Toadwater

LOL

Edit...that isn't really a problem, unless you assume boats can only start from swi...You could just grab you boat, walk it across the land and sail further past the old worlds...think of it as a huge lake


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: hempgrowerdan on November 17, 2006, 05:01:52 pm
Not right now; however, the ones in existance may become useful. There will only be one dock you can leave from; however, that is only because you cna't make boats to use at the others ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 05:05:16 pm
oops


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: LumberJane on November 17, 2006, 05:09:45 pm
Maybe you can only build the boats at swi dock, but they are portable in some way. *imagines a lil dwarf carrying a boat upside down on his head*


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 05:11:30 pm
you cna't make boats to use at the others ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 17, 2006, 05:16:49 pm
Maybe the newb worlds around SWI will magically open up canals as the boats try to pass through.  I am picturing something like the fireplaces in the original Santa Clause movie.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 17, 2006, 05:18:24 pm
Maybe drawbridges?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 17, 2006, 05:24:29 pm
OK.  How's this?

(but I don't know why we need to draw them)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: David B. Adams on November 17, 2006, 08:26:09 pm
I think you are a little confused.  The bridges he was talking about drawing are the kind you use for dental work.

Zeb


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 18, 2006, 05:28:59 am
oh shit...

Well that fixes half of the problem I was going to have anyway :)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 18, 2006, 05:44:37 am
lol, care to explain?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Fingerpicker on November 18, 2006, 05:46:27 am
He was going to have problems with his dental work...  ;D


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 18, 2006, 06:04:00 am
Well, since you'll only be able to take off from SWI, I won't have to worry about putting additional boundary checking in ;)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 18, 2006, 06:14:30 am
So basically only anyone with a base on the old world facing towards swi has to worry about securing their docks? Making this thread almost useless to 99% of the tw community?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: slipknot on November 18, 2006, 06:21:54 am
tell goon to get off my boat.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Twisti on November 18, 2006, 11:06:17 am
I would like a few more definite facts.

How many weeks do we have to 'secure our docks' ? Theres over 100 in my base so it will take me a long time to put up fences.
Will unfinished docks need protecting ?
Will you actually be idiotic enough to allow people to land at docks before giving people the ability to destroy all the old docks ?
Since this is such a major change to game dynamic, have you considered wiping old docks to protect people who maybe, I don't know, don't check the forums a lot and have lots of left over docks ?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 18, 2006, 02:30:22 pm
Well, right now only the docks in the old world facing SWI need secured.  Docks will be destroyable eventually, and they may wear out. I'm not sure yet.

Right now, however, the only dock that will actually work is the one on SWI.  Every player in the game will be sent a PM explaining the change before I make all docks work.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 18, 2006, 04:23:57 pm
Well, right now only the docks in the old world facing SWI need secured. 

Glad I could help.  :)


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: (SeriousThreat) - Toadwater's Finest Prince on November 18, 2006, 07:28:26 pm
Please dont rock my boat

cause i dont want my boat. to be a rockin


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Sgt Mayer on November 18, 2006, 08:35:50 pm
so would this also mean u have a time limit on the boat? if your launching from swi, then your woodduck would trans u back after the alotted time.

right?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 18, 2006, 09:07:57 pm
Not if you use your island to get "stuck" on swi.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 18, 2006, 09:59:48 pm
so would this also mean u have a time limit on the boat? if your launching from swi, then your woodduck would trans u back after the alotted time.

right?
DAMNIT. I keep forgetting that other people have a time limit on SWI....  @#$^

Well, I guess that you'll have a limited time on the boat.  When I add the quest in, there will be some modifications to not transport you back after you start....


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Sgt Mayer on November 18, 2006, 10:24:07 pm
my bad, shouldnt have brought it up ;D


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 19, 2006, 05:38:30 am
Matt, you should think out new content better next time.  :-\


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on November 19, 2006, 10:02:46 pm
At least I'm trying :P


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: lowcrawler on November 20, 2006, 04:45:51 am
Matt, you should think out new content better next time.  :-\

You should be less of a dick next time. Maybe if you were less of a dick, you wouldn't be ruining TW with your jerkholeness.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 20, 2006, 05:24:15 am
lol, calling me a dick is more of a dick move then me telling Matt to think things through. You better change out your tampon and put a super in this time.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on January 03, 2007, 06:05:11 am
When boats are implemented for the general public, another notice will be posted to inform dock owners of the time frame. You still should secure your docks; however, you will have a few weeks at least before the code is perfected.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on January 03, 2007, 06:11:30 am
Don't bump old topics.  >:(


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Matt Siegman on January 04, 2007, 12:49:50 am
i unstickied it, so I actually brought it down a bit, a-hole :P


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: prask on January 04, 2007, 01:45:45 am
i unstickied it, so I actually brought it down a bit, a-hole :P

hehe

I'll keep this bumped just for that.


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: Tsaor Krad on January 04, 2007, 02:53:28 am
Where's my forum, a-hole?


Title: Re: SECURE YOUR DOCKS!
Post by: arp on January 04, 2007, 09:53:00 pm
bump ;D