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Title: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: Twisti on November 30, 2006, 06:17:11 am
It's down to the last 24 hours, so I figured I'd make yet another thread, to get those last few people that didn't vote yet to vote. This post will be a serious one, as a change from the cheap "I buy your vote" posts before.

There are a few points that have shaped out to be the main discussion points, so I'll address all of them.

Money and Edicts

My running campaign has always been "More edicts!". So far, every other candidate that has commented has taken the opposite position. Explanations for that position have been slim, but they boiled down to either "We should save the money for a special occasion" or "If we have too many edicts, they won't be special anymore".

Saving money is pointless. Money in TW does not gain interest (in fact it loses value due to inflation and edict prices being raised as a result), and special occasions are not going to surprise us one morning. Take this month for example. Christmas is coming. We all know when the holidays will be. There is no new holiday suddenly popping up tomorrow that we need to be prepared for. Money pours into the government fund constantly, and what do we do with it ? We wait for Dragoon to complain that we have too much money and then maybe get an edict if the government feels like it. No, we don't get a vote whether to have an edict or not, sorry. We just get to say what day of the week, if that.

You know why people don't donate anymore ? It's because they know their money will sit there for months before it's ever being used.

I shouldn't even grace the other position with a comment. Who cares if edicts are "special" ? If your boss would offer you a christmas bonus for not just december, but every month of the year, would you turn it down saying "Thank you, Sir, but I'd rather it would be special and only once a year" ? Of course you wouldn't. That's retarded. You want as much as possible as often as possible. It's not like the money for edicts sprouted wings and magically flew from Dragoons pockets right into the treasury. It's our money. We donate it, we pay it in taxes. We should get our maximal return from it.

Mr. Nice Guy

The Toadwater elections have degenerated mostly into a retarded popularity contest. It's not about who has the better program, but about who's nice to the most people. Lumberjane is a perfect example. There was no program at all, merely a "Hi, I'm here, please vote for me!". Why would you vote for people that don't even bother to post their goals, other than having a shiney "Representative" title next to their name ?

Governments and policies aren't forged by people offering you tea and bisquits. They are forged by commited people that aren't afraid to break some heads on their way. The Toadwater Government is a joke, little more than a human automaton flipping the edict switch when it's time. It could be so much more, and the admins even want it to be more. You know why it isn't ? Because of people who, after they got elected, just roll with the crowd, saying "Aye" to everything.

It's a natural development, of course. People vote for the nicest candidates, and the nicest candidates are obviously the least qualified to do a good job as representatives. You don't get changes by saying "Yes Sir!" and sitting back down.

Status Quo

The governments of the past have agreed on some issues, and somehow those agreements have turned into the Status Quo. People can't be told the prices of edicts! Little did we know that Dragoon didn't actually ask them not to publicate them. He just told them that people would probably bitch. That's all. All those secrecy ? All by choice, from the guys you voted for in the past. People unable to donate and give the TW community an edict as a gift ? Choice of the past officials, no admin ruling. Poisoning raiders ? No ruling, everyone just poisoned people and explained it later, or didn't poison people. Why didn't we have a poison service for the past year ? Right, the old officials again.

None of those are set rules. You thought that Dragoon told the representatives that they aren't allowed to make prices public, or told them that they aren't allowed to let people buy edicts for TW ? Yeah, I did too. But it's not true, it's all their decision. They just pretend that they have no choice so they don't have to defend their position.



All that could end tomorrow. Just go vote for the only person that actually has a program, instead of condidating on the basis of "Hey, I'm nice, vote for me and I'll change nothing!".

You can vote here: http://www.toadwater.com/index.php?topic=23072.0


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: (SeriousThreat) - Toadwater's Finest Prince on November 30, 2006, 06:31:56 am
Great points. I congratulate twisti on actually showing his position in this election.

Unlike other candidates he has a goal.

I challenge the other candidates to actually take a position and give everyone a reason why you deserve our vote. Having your name on the ballot just shouldnt be enough

VOTE TWISTI

VOTE CHANGE


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: Gnilehdnam Artamus on November 30, 2006, 06:35:00 am
Actually, Dragoon stated
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The prices are not public because the prices can be changed at any time.  I do not recommend releasing the prices, because you will get some complainers when the price is increased or even lower (in thought of special interest).

So, yes, Dragoon didn't actually ask us NOT to publish them.  He stated that they were NOT public.  That seems like a statement, not a question.

Dragoon has also stated even more recently
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I do not like the idea of being able to run any amount of edicts at once without any desire campaign.
and yet he aids you in your campaign by flashing up your little dirty politics ad that is supposed to look like it came from me.



Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: (SeriousThreat) - Toadwater's Finest Prince on November 30, 2006, 06:38:30 am
it was up for like 10 seconds


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: Dragoon on November 30, 2006, 06:39:33 am
My official stance is that the edicts should NOT be published as they can be changed at any time.  This did not prohibit the government from doing so.

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I do not like the idea of being able to run any amount of edicts at once without any desire campaign.

This is badly phrased on my part.

Technically, that phrase is AGAINST twisti because the stockpile allows him to run as many edicts as he wants at once.

However, technically it's also in FAVOR of twisti because it would not allow the next president to do so, and thus enforce a "desired campaign" of raising funds for their elective procedures.



Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: Twisti on November 30, 2006, 06:40:57 am
So, yes, Dragoon didn't actually ask us NOT to publish them.  He stated that they were NOT public.  That seems like a statement, not a question.

As you posted yourself, he clearly gave YOU the choice. The only thing he RECOMMENDED was to not release them so people wouldn't bitch if they were raised. A far cry from the supposed super secrecy we were made to believe you were forced into.

Dragoon has also stated even more recently
 and yet he aids you in your campaign by flashing up your little dirty politics ad that is supposed to look like it came from me.

There are never "desire campaigns". And please, comparing me with Bush is hardly "aiding me".


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: (SeriousThreat) - Toadwater's Finest Prince on November 30, 2006, 06:42:44 am
32% approval rating


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: LumberJane on November 30, 2006, 10:17:52 am
Twisti, don't use me as your little example to get votes. I never asked to be voted for, I asked people to vote responsibly. Your smear campaign is soooo american politics. If you get voted, we use up all our government money, whoopee. If I got voted, I intend to listen to people, which I think is more important than just spending their money. My personal opinion doesn't spend their money, unlike you seem determined to do. And I don't use my being nice as a campaign tool, I'm just nice by nature, so excuse me, but I'm not changing that. I don't feel the need to go on a posting spree telling the people that I will spend their money. They should feel comfortable knowing that yes, I am indeed a nice person, which will most likely allow me listen to them and consider their feelings rather than just wanting to spend all their money in one fell swoop. So go find another target.


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: testy on November 30, 2006, 10:29:18 am
My feeling is: spend all the money or give it to me.


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: Tsaor Krad on November 30, 2006, 02:16:25 pm
My feeling is: I'm going to take all the money, fuck everybody else. Just a vote away from that this time.  :(


which will most likely allow me listen to them and consider their feelings rather than just wanting to spend all their money in one fell swoop.

I feel pretty gay after reading this. Listen to that and don't ever post something that queer again.  >:(


Title: Re: The final countdown - presidential election
Post by: hempgrowerdan on November 30, 2006, 02:19:29 pm
Quote from: Matt Siegman
. . . . I don't know which of you told some people the edict prices and all the functions of the government, but cut that crap out.


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