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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2005, 02:18:44 am »

[quote author=Judge Faust link=topic=16264.msg199280#msg199280 date=1113782831]
Slowly but surely, the People are beginning to see the wisdom and inevitability of socialist/Communist thought in Toadwater and beyond.

wisdom and inevitability?

surely you don't think people have actually been listening to you over the past year?  at least, noone of consequence.

this game will never, ever, be communistic, simply because the main aim of the game is to be better than all the other players.  noone in the top 50 is going to give up all their stuff for your ideals simply because you asked.  It would be of zero benefit to them, it simply isn't going to happen.
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That is as foolhardy as some of the others in this game.  The goal of the world itself is to be better than another, but communism still previals and shows it's true power.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2005, 02:19:36 am »

[quote author=Judge Spider link=topic=16264.msg199288#msg199288 date=1113783434]
[quote author=Judge Faust link=topic=16264.msg199280#msg199280 date=1113782831]
Slowly but surely, the People are beginning to see the wisdom and inevitability of socialist/Communist thought in Toadwater and beyond.

wisdom and inevitability?

surely you don't think people have actually been listening to you over the past year?  at least, noone of consequence.

this game will never, ever, be communistic, simply because the main aim of the game is to be better than all the other players.  noone in the top 50 is going to give up all their stuff for your ideals simply because you asked.  It would be of zero benefit to them, it simply isn't going to happen.
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That is as foolhardy as some of the others in this game.  The goal of the world itself is to be better than another, but communism still previals and shows it's true power.
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name one communistic government that is a success, and doesn't have a dictator in charge.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2005, 02:21:11 am »

[quote author=Black Drake link=topic=16264.msg199289#msg199289 date=1113783524]
[quote author=Judge Spider link=topic=16264.msg199288#msg199288 date=1113783434]
[quote author=Judge Faust link=topic=16264.msg199280#msg199280 date=1113782831]
Slowly but surely, the People are beginning to see the wisdom and inevitability of socialist/Communist thought in Toadwater and beyond.

wisdom and inevitability?

surely you don't think people have actually been listening to you over the past year?  at least, noone of consequence.

this game will never, ever, be communistic, simply because the main aim of the game is to be better than all the other players.  noone in the top 50 is going to give up all their stuff for your ideals simply because you asked.  It would be of zero benefit to them, it simply isn't going to happen.
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That is as foolhardy as some of the others in this game.  The goal of the world itself is to be better than another, but communism still previals and shows it's true power.
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name one communistic government that is a success, and doesn't have a dictator in charge.
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« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2005, 02:21:24 am »

wow, that'd be the WORST MMO ever. We could all rename ourselves with serial numbers, just to make sure absolutely no one had any fun. Eventually we could eliminate forum posts to the letter "C", so even those would be equal in status.

(this is another outwardly stupid post, look for the meaning if you feel like it  Wink)
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« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2005, 02:22:22 am »

How about this: Name one government that doesn't require a sole leader or a group of leaders to spread their ideals.  Not all people of a nation have the same thought, it is to the leader of that "government", communist or not, to unite them for what is right and better for the masses.
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« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2005, 02:23:21 am »

Name a good leader that isn't voted into the position.
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« Reply #23 on: April 18, 2005, 02:24:10 am »

How about this: Name one government that doesn't require a sole leader or a group of leaders to spread their ideals.  Not all people of a nation have the same thought, it is to the leader of that "government", communist or not, to unite them for what is right and better for the masses.

ok, how about a communistic government which works, and is not corrupt to the core.

I fully accept that everything requires leadership, but I used the word dictator, not leader, there is a significant difference between the two.
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« Reply #24 on: April 18, 2005, 02:25:07 am »

The safety of thousands of miles dictates that we don't need a stupid government on this game. Games like this are supposed to give some freedoms that people don't have in the real world.  People like you are just killjoys.
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« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2005, 02:26:19 am »

No leader would be necessary if the communist governments, even of today, did not have to fight for what is now theirs.  Leaders of today purely fight to prevent their prospering country from falling to democracy and other denounced government structures.
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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2005, 02:27:58 am »

Heard it, rejected it, not gonna change.

If we're all the same, why the HELL would we play?
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« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2005, 02:28:58 am »

No leader would be necessary if the communist governments, even of today, did not have to fight for what is now theirs.  Leaders of today purely fight to prevent their prospering country from falling to democracy and other denounced government structures.

hahahahahahaha

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you make me laugh.

if the communistic governments functioned properly, allowing their citizens true freedom, then the democratic world wouldn't be trying to change them.  People recognise when human rights are being violated, and want to help.

Anyway, which version of communism are you on about, the one where everyone is a clone, or the one which is vaguely fair, where people who work harder get more.
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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2005, 02:30:12 am »

Heard it, rejected it, not gonna change.

If we're all the same, why the HELL would we play?

  It's the same reason a communist country rises above democracies.   Your question is at par with "If I was in a communist country, why would I live?"  How egotistical.  If you can not be wealthier than your mother and father, you chose to die?

Your government has brainwashed you.
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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2005, 02:32:26 am »

I could leave.
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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2005, 02:32:47 am »

[quote author=  Seraph   link=topic=16264.msg199298#msg199298 date=1113784078]
Heard it, rejected it, not gonna change.

If we're all the same, why the HELL would we play?

  It's the same reason a communist country rises above democracies.   Your question is at par with "If I was in a communist country, why would I live?"  How egotistical.  If you can not be wealthier than your mother and father, you chose to die?

Your government has brainwashed you.
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what is your purpose if you are merely an identical copy of everyone around you.  Humans are created individual and unique, we are all different from everyone else.  If we were meant to live identical lives to everyone else, maybe we would have been made identical, with exactly the same abilities and skills.

or maybe you're wrong, and we are individual, and we are not meant to all be completely equal.

you need to rethink your political ideals, they simply do not work in practice, and no matter how many times people have tried to make them work, they never have.
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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2005, 02:32:50 am »

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f the communistic governments functioned properly, allowing their citizens true freedom, then the democratic world wouldn't be trying to change them.  People recognise when human rights are being violated, and want to help.

Anyway, which version of communism are you on about, the one where everyone is a clone, or the one which is vaguely fair, where people who work harder get more.

False!  After the democratic world sees the communist countries propsering, they fear the spreading of government ideals to neighboring countries!  Democrats worry that their government will be ousted, you might say.  They then fear that if countries become communist, it will spread to their own motherland.

People worry about change, not of communism.  Communism is for the better though, and can help everyone, even you.
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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2005, 02:37:18 am »

[quote]f the communistic governments functioned properly, allowing their citizens true freedom, then the democratic world wouldn't be trying to change them.  People recognise when human rights are being violated, and want to help.

Anyway, which version of communism are you on about, the one where everyone is a clone, or the one which is vaguely fair, where people who work harder get more.

False!  After the democratic world sees the communist countries propsering, they fear the spreading of government ideals to neighboring countries!  Democrats worry that their government will be ousted, you might say.  They then fear that if countries become communist, it will spread to their own motherland.

People worry about change, not of communism.  Communism is for the better though, and can help everyone, even you.
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is it fair that a brain surgeon gets the same pay as a binman.

yes, both jobs are required, but the brain surgeon surely deserves more, as it requires so much more for him to do his job.  If everyone in the world got the same pay, everyone in the world would try to get the easiest job possible.

and how about this, in cuba (one of the best examples of a communist country to date) a family can own one car.  if the car breaks down they might be able to afford repairs on it, although probably not as they earn enough money to live on and little else.  if the car breaks down irreperably, then they lose it, and cannot gain another.  because if any one family had enough money to buy a whole new car, then they would in theory be able to buy themselves a second car, which would of course be completely unfair, as some families would still only have one car.  Also, because no family can be allowed to afford a new car, every car is old, and cannot be upgraded to a new model, so all the cars are falling apart and cannot be replaced.

this example holds to the communistic ideals, but is clearly utterly fubar.
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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2005, 03:07:50 am »

if the communistic governments functioned properly, allowing their citizens true freedom, then the democratic world wouldn't be trying to change them.  People recognise when human rights are being violated, and want to help.


If you wish to maintain the illusion of intelligence, quit boring us with this nonsensical Reagan-esque propaganda. "Democracy" cannot logically be the inverse of "communism" - the prior is a political system, the latter an economic one. Comparing them is as idiotic as comparing apples to DVD players - the comparison is simply laughable.

And once you take that comparison out of the picture, you capitalists have NOTHING. There is nothing that says that capitalist neo-empires must be democratic (examples: Hitler's Germany and Bush's USA). There is nothing that says that socialist/communist nations are not democratic (the People's Republic of China is FAR more democratic than the American Empire). If you're going to argue with us, at least be logical about it.

Try again.


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