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« on: June 13, 2005, 11:36:33 am »

Any pointers in understanding locus and coridinates that anyone would like to share?
I think I have a ideal about the locus i.e lets say there is numbers of graph 1 to 10 and I have compass that shows which way is south, north,east and west which helps allot that azn gave me.
and exsample I am at 5n 8w but I am trying to figure out how far is certain destination but I don't know the locus and I have these letters and its confusing.
I understand first two have to do with region i.e d3c7 is super world with 5 numbers.
I have looked at the coridinate map over and over again truthfully it confuses me still.
Has anyone gotten good grasp of understand both in way that anyone new can understand?


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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 11:41:42 am »

read the topped thread in the tavern titled "the world of toadwater"

locus was introduced a while ago, and I for one ignore is completely, I did have a conversion program between coordinates and locus a while ago, but I probably lost it.
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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 11:44:35 am »

read the topped thread in the tavern titled "the world of toadwater"

locus was introduced a while ago, and I for one ignore is completely, I did have a conversion program between coordinates and locus a while ago, but I probably lost it.
I have seen it several times it still confuses the heck out of me and I bet there are others too.
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 11:51:40 am »

the thread explains it all very well if you completely ignore locus and focus on the coordinates.

there are always for pairs of coordinates (unless you live in a weird scary place!), and each pair narrows down your location.  starting with the largest area, then getting smaller, with the last pair giving your exact square.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2005, 01:33:20 pm »

locus is X & Y backwards, think y then X.

N is +, S is -,
E is  +, W is -.

.01 per field( ?)
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2005, 01:54:34 pm »

locus is X & Y backwards, think y then X.

N is +, S is -,
E is  +, W is -.

.01 per field( ?)

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2005, 02:12:16 pm »

but then technically your locus yould give a circle of where you possibly are, while coordinates bring it down to a fine point...
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2005, 02:15:05 pm »

no, locus is precise.

if I'm two squares to the left and 1 up from the centre my locus is
0.01 N, 0.02 W

if I'm 102 to the left and 101 up then it's
1.01 N, 1.02 W

it gives you a precise location, but converting between locus and coordinates isn't easy, certainly not really doable in your head.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2005, 02:20:19 pm »

oh, wait, yah, sorry, wasnt thinking straight, hehe ^_^

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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2005, 02:21:54 pm »

locus is X & Y backwards, think y then X.

N is +, S is -,
E is  +, W is -.

.01 per field( ?)
I have some basic understand of x and y in 3d object building but it was really hard and overwhelming for me.
I wonder if the formula is similar.
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2005, 02:24:26 pm »

I doubt it's anywhere near as complex, as the locus is only 2 dimentions.

it's really simple when you think about it.

if you're to the north then your north-south locus is positive, when you're to the south it's negative.
likewise for the east-west locus, east is positive west is negative.

however you don't even have to remember this, because the client gives you the compass direction (n, e, s, w) rather than a positive/negative number.
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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2005, 02:44:55 pm »

oh, wait, yah, sorry, wasnt thinking straight, hehe ^_^

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I was fell asleep over at a friends but I was like half awake and he was talking about movie and for some odd reason I started going on about something about toadwater being all disoriented it was so weird and yet funny.
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« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2005, 03:10:34 pm »

no, locus is precise.

if I'm two squares to the left and 1 up from the centre my locus is
0.01 N, 0.02 W



So to move to the center, you would have to move 1 square down and 2 squares right?
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2005, 07:00:54 am »

Right.

Also, I'd like to say that I prefer Locus over Coordinates. Coordinates are too general, and just overly confusing.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2005, 02:20:03 pm »

Right.

Also, I'd like to say that I prefer Locus over Coordinates. Coordinates are too general, and just overly confusing.
I understand the basics of locus but not enough to explain them intelligently nor for exsample now what to do for exsample if I wanted to find a location or place over 1500 squares or more.
Cordinates and the cordinate map I get understand basics but I must admit beyond understanding that first two letters have to do with what continent they are in, the rest is beyond my comprehension at the time.
I would love to be able to understand this better so I could help other new players but I am not there yet.
Thanks all who responded to this thread.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2005, 02:24:41 pm »

Co-ordinates are a recursive thing based on 7.

They work from top left corner.

In spreadsheet jargon, the rows are the letters and the columns are the rows.
are you picking up on the opposit to normal bit here?

Now, imagine the WORLD D4 or any world is divided into 7 columns and 7 rows, giving 49 World Squares. so that gives you

A1, A2, A4, A4, A5, A6, A7,
B1........
C1,..............
D1,..........
E1,...............
F1,...................
G1, G2, G3, G4, G5, G6, G7

so SE corner of the original newbie land is D4 A1,

Now, repeat; divide that World Square into seven by seven again and you have 49 Acres,  giving the 5th & 6th co-ordinates,

so D4 A1 A1 is the acre in which people land when they die.

Now divide that Acre, whcih co-incidently is your coloured/colored view, into 7 x 7, or 49 fields and you have the 7th & 8th co-ordinate.

So D4 A1 A1 B3 is a hoard containing something in newbie land.


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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2005, 03:11:01 pm »

And if you are interested in a javascript calculator which converts between them - including the code used - go to:

http://www.freewebs.com/trett/codes/toadwater%20codes/locus.htm
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