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Yancy
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« on: January 08, 2008, 04:45:22 am »

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(338-00-3) 4:89:52    Pendelhaven dug up a Compost Worm    
(338-00-3) 4:20:59    BREAKING NEWS: Pendelhaven has died! Pendelhaven was 15 years 70 days old. We offer our sincere condolences.    
(338-00-3) 4:10:19    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:10:03    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:97    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:86    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:80    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:74    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:68    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 3:97:31    BREAKING NEWS: Pendelhaven has died! Pendelhaven was 15 years 69 days old. Fortunately, Pendelhaven was carrying some Flaming Fungus!


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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2008, 04:47:07 am »

That admittedly does not look good.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2008, 04:48:15 am »

Pendelhaven's Log
(338-00-3) 4:89:52    Pendelhaven dug up a Compost Worm    
(338-00-3) 4:20:59    BREAKING NEWS: Pendelhaven has died! Pendelhaven was 15 years 70 days old. We offer our sincere condolences.    
(338-00-3) 4:10:19    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:10:03    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:97    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:86    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:80    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:74    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 4:09:68    Pendelhaven finished preparing a Hemp field for dew retting    
(338-00-3) 3:97:31    BREAKING NEWS: Pendelhaven has died! Pendelhaven was 15 years 69 days old. Fortunately, Pendelhaven was carrying some Flaming Fungus!


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I think this, especially coupled with your aim log, and the log of him hitting 4 actions a tic are certainly enough evidence to encourage action.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2008, 05:00:22 am »

I concur
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2008, 05:33:25 am »

I don't get it. He forgot to pick up an FF and that is proof that he was AFK macroing ? Is everyone who doesn't have an FF when dying AFK macroing now ?
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2008, 05:36:44 am »

I don't get it. He forgot to pick up an FF and that is proof that he was AFK macroing ? Is everyone who doesn't have an FF when dying AFK macroing now ?

Either I read it wrong or he died twice in a row then got stuck digging (a click with nothing selected in inventory).  Which makes it look pretty obvious that he is afk.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2008, 05:43:52 am »

Lots of conjecture on your part. I died twice within less than an hour a lot of times, and since it usually sends one to a noob world, one might need a compost worm. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it's a reasonable possibility. I would suggest a Matt looks at his server logs. Since he is a known cheater and multiple offender, combined with being a moron, I have little doubt about what the result of that one will be. Just saying, we don't really have enough proof on our hands right now.
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2008, 06:23:33 am »

Why do people need compost worms in a noob world when they'll be walking? I guess I can see a bunker in noob world, but those trees would be ravaged too often, and would thus serve little purpose.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2008, 10:12:43 am »

Either I read it wrong or he died twice in a row then got stuck digging (a click with nothing selected in inventory).  Which makes it look pretty obvious that he is afk.

constitution consider AFK macro ONLY when you dont answer popup im not defending him, just saying that there is no rule to allow us to punish him for afk retting
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2008, 10:23:50 am »

constitution consider AFK macro ONLY when you dont answer popup im not defending him, just saying that there is no rule to allow us to punish him for afk retting

"- Toadwater Development Group, "the administrators" own Toadwater, "the game" and reserve the right at anytime to ban you, "the player" from use of any or all services provided at it's discretion."


"Players who circumvent official game mechanics can be removed from the rankings without warning. Circumenting official game mechanics is defined as, but not limited to, by using a macro program non-attended: this allows you to play the game without actually playing (of which definition of non-attended is up to the Toadwater Development Group's complete discretion),"


Quoted from the Terms of Service.


So according to that, it isnt up to any government. It's up to admin. And they can ban at their own discretion.
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2008, 10:40:52 am »

ups, forgot about ToS Tongue

Just wanted to point out that we cannot do nothing if he didnt get popup, and admins dont punish AFK macroers anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2008, 10:51:05 am »

ups, forgot about ToS Tongue

Just wanted to point out that we cannot do nothing if he didnt get popup, and admins dont punish AFK macroers anyway.

Well, it says that the definition of un-attended (i.e. AFK) is at the discretion of the admins. The terms of service aren't specific on rather or not popup involvement is neccessary.

But, even if it was; the admin can still ban for any reason they see fit.
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2008, 02:31:28 pm »

Well, it says that the definition of un-attended (i.e. AFK) is at the discretion of the admins. The terms of service aren't specific on rather or not popup involvement is neccessary.

But, even if it was; the admin can still ban for any reason they see fit.

yeah, i get it.

I was just trying to say that goverment cannot punish him for AFK retting, only admins, but they probably wont couse they never do it as i can remember
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2008, 02:56:08 pm »

That's why I didn't put it into the original constitution; the Government really can't make a definite decision about AFK macroing other than through the popups, while the admins can.
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2008, 03:09:02 pm »

<tangent>
The more folks draw the attention to actions players do afk that do not currently have popups, the more likely admins are to add a popup (or something like a popup) to it. Scutching, planting, chopping, digging, waxing, sacrificing, eating, pooing, walking...

Runescape, even with all its downsides, has a fascinating anti-afk system. Doing any action, or just standing in a spot, can generate a random encounter. How you react to the encounter, and in some cases how fast you react, gives you items or effects. Some of these items/effects are good which is interesting from a psychological perspective since positive reinforcement is more likely to foster long-term attitude change.

I am not suggesting that TW admins put effort into anything other than the negatively-reinforcing "friendly" popups...the admins know we are gluttons for punishment. We have been very bad dwarves and need spankings, yes we do.
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2008, 03:19:20 pm »

That brings up an interesting point. If a correctly answer to a popup would give you 10x the normal XP for that action, people might actually stop being annoyed by them.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2008, 03:42:31 pm »

That idea might be better served in its own thread.
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